Tulpa.info - tulpa-questions

In the end, @Deleted User, we can't really stop you from doing whatever you do. It's quite difficult to make a tulpa dislike you if you are treating them with the respect and appreciation that literally any other person deserves at the outset - or even more respect and appreciation, given the situation they start in.

yeah

10:38 PM

my point exactly

10:38 PM

like, 99% of tulpas are friends/pals with their hosts

10:38 PM

I know I can fall into the 1% but it's nigh probable

10:39 PM

I'm just hoping that it'll be friends

10:39 PM

or at least tolerate me

Most likely, that would be the case. Otherwise... interact with people here.

10:40 PM

Hah. I remember saying that before as well.

I'm fucking broken and I dont't wanna talk about this here because it clogs up the channel for the beginners

Alright.

can we move to PMs then?

If you wish. My focus is quite divided, as Skye is also doing a few things as well.

it's okay

If you'd like, we can bring it to another channel and I can discuss it as well.

Indeed.

10:42 PM

#lounge is currently free.

It would be a better place as SkyeWint is busy.

Winter is fine.

Question: once your tulpa starts acting on it's own, does it become harder for the host to alter their personality?

Sometimes.

2:10 AM

It's all a matter of communication.

2:10 AM

Do you want them to change? Is it a good change, for them and you?

2:10 AM

Do they want to change because something doesn't fit?

2:10 AM

Talk it out, if you can.

Yes. Though, given how hard it is to create a tulpa, maybe it is never easy to alter someone's personality.

Mhm.

I'm on day 12 of development. I'm parroting them around right now, so I have ultimate control over their personality at the moment. However, since I'm letting them choose their own personality, they randomly will manifest traits - some I like, and some I don't. I'm correcting them as a I go. But I'm wondering if that will become harder once they are independant (edited)

2:15 AM

If so, I'm thinking I should probably set out a template personality they can grow into. That way I'm not stuck with a tulpa I don't like until we can resolve our differences.

That's a good idea. Put a few traits in that would be desirable or appealing for you, and go from there. Try to ween off of puppeting soon.

...personality is ultimately determined by experiences.

2:20 AM

Explaining what traits you want them to have, as well as why, will give them context into understanding why those traits are good, rather than routinely following some idea of what those traits mean, regardless of situational context.

2:21 AM

That said, regarding experiences and personality - there isn't a consistent way to 'decide' a personality through giving specific experiences.

2:22 AM

Nobody yet understands how exactly individual experiences determine personality, after all. Hah.

Huh. So, try to explain them into a personality even before they are thinking independently?

2:25 AM

@Clo, Any tips on transitioning from puppeting to independent? If I'm actively forcing, they just stand there in my wonderland unless I make them do or say something. The only time they actually seem chatter on their own is when I'm passively forcing during routine things. They will sometimes comments on things they find amusing/interesting/unusual.

Don't puppet when you expect a response while active forcing. Ask them questions and stay quiet. If they don't respond (which is likely as you're starting out,) assume a response.

2:28 AM

Though, someone else might have a better suggestion as we never used puppetting as a way to force/develop tulpas.

It's possible to instill personality traits in a tulpa just by saying things such as "You are X" because a tulpa will usually be able to access your knowledge and understanding of what that trait implies along with how it works in people. As for why they might adhere to simple "you are" statements - being told a statement as a young tulpa tends to have a relatively large impact and may be taken as fact even when there is no reason for doing so for that same reasons that a child tends to believe what they are told more readily than an adult. Less critical facilities as well as higher suggestibility

Puppeting and parroting, or otherwise "forcing" a developing tulpa to be or do something is... not particularly the best way to 'teach' them or help them understand the world.

2:31 AM

Having a character that you can manipulate about at will is rather different than having a tulpa.

After being told something such as "You are cheerful", they may both fully believe it and understand what it implies, and thus start acting in accordance

It can certainly affect them, yes.

I am not saying anything about the ethics of it, but rather why and how it can work

But, the consistency of it and certainly the ethics are far more in question.

When it comes to this sort of stuff, on difficulty changing things down the line, I might think it's akin to starting to move something heavy in some direction. the faster it moves, the harder it will be to adjust its course. The further you have developed and build your tulpa into your head, the harder it will be to undo that buildup.

Indeed.

2:34 AM

This does also go for habits of puppeting and parroting.

On that particular topic of getting past puppeting/parroting, I think that the best way to get your first engagement with your tulpa is through "a chaotic state of mind" and a strong association and knowledge of "who" your tulpa is and "what" they might say. I know a lot of people recommend you sit quiet and try to listen for your tulpa, but I think it also might be valuable to have your thoughts in "overdrive" so to speak, to increase the chances that you a) do not overthink the responses, and b) to ensure that more of your "primal" mind is engaged in your thought processes so that you know for sure it isn't your conscious mind doing the manipulating during those early times where doubt is the number one issue. That's just my opinion though, it isn't well founded in much but a hunch

It's best to ween off of it as soon as you can.

Lots of appreciated advice from y'all. Thank you

2:40 AM

How would one go about getting into an "overdrive" state of mind, short of utilizing drugs?

2:41 AM

There isn't really an antimeditation I know of, beyond trying to stress myself out, or getting my adrenaline pumping- both of which are not so great feeling

Anytime that you might be busy, basically passive forcing

Ah, okay

Mind me asking what you mean when you say you parrot or puppet?

I don't really puppet them around too much. They have a temporary form right now, and often enough I don't put them in any spacial location while passively forcing. As for parroting, I've been narrative responses for them when I ask them questions, then kind of giving the impression to the actual thoughtform that this is what they would have said, or similar.

I would not suggest parroting or puppeting, so as to not establish a habit of... projecting what you want your tulpa to be rather than listening to them.

Makes sense

Scrolling through this > once your tulpa starts acting on it's own, does it become harder for the host to alter their personality? No, though it was never really easy in the first place. Personality isn't really something people have alot of control over in general.

>Any tips on transitioning from puppeting to independent? If I'm actively forcing, they just stand there in my wonderland unless I make them do or say something. The only time they actually seem chatter on their own is when I'm passively forcing during routine things. They will sometimes comments on things they find amusing/interesting/unusual.

Most people don't even start with puppeting, to my knowledge. Do what feels comfortable and right. As for the rest, give them time and really listen and wait for them to chat with you. Seriously, the one thing that has allowed us to help tulpamancers get vocal tulpas is to simply start talking to their tulpas as if they are vocal. You should do the same. @metanomial

^^ I second this. I puppetted AJ and it only ever gave me doubt, I think it shaped her adorable accent but that is the only good that came of it. I am personally against puppeting but due to the incredibly individualized nature of tulpa creation your mileage will definitely vary.

as someone who never puppeted, I can verify that it is not required

I second what winter said to, you really don't want to get into the habit of projecting onto your tupp, I am 99% sure that is what lead to AJ's identity chrisis (which we resolved)

Okay! How long does it take for a tulpa to start responding on average? With parroting, on day 9 they started developing some sense of self, but are still completely reliant on my thoughts. Without that mental crutch, is the wait on scale of weeks or months?

Um, I'll ping @salad so he can blow his load of survey results here on that.

5:10 AM

I want to say 3 weeks but I could be dead wrong

Median’s like two or three weeks

2-3 weeks I can deal with. I just don't want to be spending months working on something blindly. That only demotivates me

For measurable sentience, whatever that may be to each person

5:12 AM

It’s got a heavy skew though since some people take a year or more to get anywhere (but are eventually successful)

*gulp*

honestly its so incredibly different person to person. It took AJ 4 days to say something to me, I was getting emotional bleed and shit day 2

5:13 AM

some people take much longer

5:14 AM

but it's possible to get it early

5:14 AM

I want to say what changes it, but I have no idea...

I’m a “day one vocal tupper” guy but I’m very cynical toward anyone else with claimed creation speeds like mine

5:14 AM

Usually they’re bullshitters

I was ecstatic on discord after

I haven't met a new tulpamancer who's efforts took longer than a month. I feel like there was something major holding back older individuals and groups.

day 1 is massive outlier

5:15 AM

also I think new tulpamancers have the better guides and all around better knowledge to thank

@Bethel🌸 I know some.

I talked to AJ 24/7, still do

oh no, guides are plenty stupid still

5:16 AM

thing is, people don't really bring alot new to the table when they make guides

Had two friends make tulpas after I did, one of them still isn’t vocal (although she is sentient through emotions and form movements, which is odd)

^ I've been having an issue with certain guides. They aren't getting enough detail or instruction, rather just vague overviews

well, yeah, because the first ones were very basic instructional guides

5:17 AM

Read Irish's guide. It's metaphysical but it's really short and essentially amounts to him saying "talk and ye shall be talken back to"

When I get done with my training I’m gonna make something actually good. I know how to write objective content, I’ve been paid to do it for years.

I get that tulpamancy is a unique process for every individual, but you'd think there would be a guide somewhere highlighting the most common creation processes, like a steriotype of tulpamancers' experiences

<Ponytail> it really isn't unique when everyone has a rainbow dash on pinkie pie tulpa, now is it

No opinions, no personal experiences, no unfounded claims, no unnecessary length, no unorthodox principles. And it’ll be heavily debated before release.

why not after release too cx

where are the Apple Jack based tulpas???

5:20 AM

I don't get it

Background pony meem

Hmm, we probably should post our paper on .info

Heh. Pony tulpas :3

also martyrboy the guides are all shit, I truly believe that to try and follow a specific guide is not worth it